Comments on Dizzy Thinks: It's all so trivial really!

My question is not your proposition at all, it was...

2007-11-14T11:32:58.188Z

My question is not your proposition at all, it was deliberately written in reverse to make a point which have not seemd to grasp.

If you delete content then there must always be some form of intent relating to altering perceptions. Redesigning a website for example, removing an image you don't want up there anymore because you don't want others to see it. It still does not change the fact that the act of deletion is itself an amoral act because of where ownership of the content lies.

You may think of the above comments by you are "yours". But their presence on my web pages makes them mine and I have the moral authority to remove them if I want too by virtue of my property rights over them.

Your question relates to consequences not to the moral value of the act itself.

Your question is my proposition mate. Paint as man...

2007-11-14T10:03:00.000Z

Your question is my proposition mate. Paint as many houses as you want, but you still haven't engaged it.

Why do you submit that? Is it just binary data tha...

2007-11-14T08:22:24.068Z

Why do you submit that? Is it just binary data that can be trashed?

Anything I own can be trashed, and when it comes to computers everything is 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01100100 01100001 01110100 01100001

The act of deleting content - with intent to change people's perceptions - has to have consequences, surely.

If my house is green, and I want to paint it blue, when I paint it I am changing people's perceptions and conceptually deleting the green house for anyone driving by for the first time.

The point of that little illustration is this simple question. When does the act of content deletion not have the intent of changing perception underlining it?

OK. What is clearly moot is that it's all "binary ...

2007-11-14T00:09:00.000Z

OK. What is clearly moot is that it's all "binary data". Mind you, that's entirely irrelevant. Why do you submit that? Is it just binary data that can be trashed?

The act of deleting content - with intent to change people's perceptions - has to have consequences, surely.

That is a different act separate from the act of d...

2007-11-13T21:55:53.916Z

That is a different act separate from the act of deletion so it's moot. The act of deleting content, which is really just binary data and may not even be words, remains an amoral event in that circumstance. So again, I can think of no scenario where deleting content on a server I own can be immoral.

"I cannot think of a scenario where the deletion o...

2007-11-13T18:34:00.000Z

"I cannot think of a scenario where the deletion of something on a server I own can be immoral or unethical."
Really? What about if you use your knowlege of such information for your purposes and refuse to let others see the same information?

That reminds me, Did you get those bananas I sent ...

2007-11-12T06:06:33.381Z

That reminds me, Did you get those bananas I sent you? ;)

"The time stamps of the files can easily be manipu...

2007-11-12T01:45:00.000Z

"The time stamps of the files can easily be manipulated too, and the image content if the person involved has considerable photoshop skills."

Come on, Dizzy, this is just silly. You don't need "considerable photoshop skills" -- a trained monkey could do it!

DK

Tim used to have a mini cv on his site which he ha...

2007-11-11T10:27:00.000Z

Tim used to have a mini cv on his site which he has removed. This cv was most revealing in that it explains his weird, obsessive and 'crusading' behaviour and his itellectual narcissism. Tet he suffers from low self esteem and needs our understanding more than the brickbats that are tossed his way.

"Tim has lost all sense of perspective and become ...

2007-11-11T06:55:00.000Z

"Tim has lost all sense of perspective and become boring to read."

I'd have to disagree with that statement. It implies that, at some point, his site was interesting to read...

"...the 'my blog my rules' excuse is a poor one for not linking to a specific post you're criticising. It shows an appalling lack of respect for your readers."

Indeed. It's not like we can't Google it if we want to. But perhaps Li'l Timmy is going by the poor netskills and reasoning capcity of his own readers ;)

Is Tim Ireland an obssessive? Let us examine the ...

2007-11-10T23:30:00.000Z

Is Tim Ireland an obssessive? Let us examine the evidence.

Bloggerheads.com domain search results:

"Guido" 264 results
"Iain Dale" 261 results
"Paul Staines" 192 results

I hold no particular brief for these chaps but I think anyone who writes that often about someone and goes to the trouble of setting up parody sites can fairly be said to be obssessed.

Tim has lost all sense of perspective and become boring to read. A lot of it smacks of sour grapes. He should stick to positive campaigning, nobody outside of a small section of the blogosphere actually cares what goes on in Guido and/or Dale's comments. It doesn't warrant thousands of words being written about it.

I am only anonymous because I can't face Tim turning his, yes, obsessive attention towards me.

In essence Tim, focus your campaigning ability on more worthy targets.

Unless of course the intent of the question was to...

2007-11-10T22:53:21.489Z

Unless of course the intent of the question was to take us off on an academic line of inquiry of defining where acts in relation to websites can be immoral and where they can not be?

Personally speaking I would consider it immoral and unethical to upload certain content, illegal or otherwise. However, I cannot think of a scenario where the deletion of something on a server I own can be immoral or unethical. Ultimately I own that web space/server and if I do not want something on it, then it cannot be an act of immorality for me to remove it if I so choose too.

Gracci, whether it can be immoral to put certain c...

2007-11-10T22:37:27.611Z

Gracci, whether it can be immoral to put certain content up is a bit of moot question because that refers to the act of upload (adding new content) rather the specific in my post about the act of deletion (maintenance).

Then again, short-term memory isn't Timmy's strong...

2007-11-10T22:10:00.000Z

Then again, short-term memory isn't Timmy's strong point, is it?

As he has admitted himself.

"Into the room
greeting, pre-amble, standard line of questioning, got all the important bits right... then there was this right at the end:

"Now, what's my first name?"

Damn.

For the record, I didn't get that job. But my wife stuck with me even though I'd forgotten *her* name on our first date".

Dizzy in your judgement is there a distinction bet...

2007-11-10T21:57:00.000Z

Dizzy in your judgement is there a distinction between something that is illegal and something that is immoral. I can see that I should never be banned from putting stuff up on my website or dealing with it the way I want to (within limits to do with paedophilia incitement etc) but that doesn't mean it isn't immoral for me to put certain content up does it.

So Tim Ireland bans you for 12 hours, thereby shut...

2007-11-10T20:49:00.000Z

So Tim Ireland bans you for 12 hours, thereby shutting down debate with you on his blog, Dizzy, then stamps over to rant at you on your blog. Hahaha! You're an unbelievable hypocrite, Mr I.

Auntie Flo'

Well, you can argue about points of view on aggres...

2007-11-10T20:48:56.987Z

Well, you can argue about points of view on aggressive tone as much as you like, Dizzy, but the fact remains that at no time was I "demanding the IP address of the person that posted"

You were demanding information by using passive aggressive threats of legal action. Glad you've decided to zero on in this word "demand" though, quite amusing really.

I'd address the others, but you'd probably just talk around it or skip over it as you always have in the past and have done so again right here.

Of course you would. I guess this means that you won't be commenting again. So that's the end of it.

And the 'my blog my rules' excuse is a poor one for not linking to a specific post you're criticising. It shows an appalling lack of respect for your readers

Nonsense, my four readers are intelligent enough to follow the link to your website and find your post without my help if they really want too.

This is an anoneumouse commentTim Ireland is an ob...

2007-11-10T19:23:00.000Z

This is an anoneumouse comment

Tim Ireland is an obsessive

;-)

http://hobycartoons.blogspot.com/2007/01/blog-wars...

2007-11-10T18:20:00.000Z

http://hobycartoons.blogspot.com/2007/01/blog-wars.html

Well, you can argue about points of view on aggres...

2007-11-10T18:02:00.000Z

Well, you can argue about points of view on aggressive tone as much as you like, Dizzy, but the fact remains that at no time was I "demanding the IP address of the person that posted", and this is just one fundamental flaw in the argument you lay out here.

I'd address the others, but you'd probably just talk around it or skip over it as you always have in the past and have done so again right here.

And the 'my blog my rules' excuse is a poor one for not linking to a specific post you're criticising. It shows an appalling lack of respect for your readers.

Tomorrow I promise.

2007-11-10T17:22:29.865Z

Tomorrow I promise.

Could we all stop gazing at our navel/Tim Ireland ...

2007-11-10T17:18:00.000Z

Could we all stop gazing at our navel/Tim Ireland and get back to life and politics please?

Tch. At least have the courtesy to link to the rel...

2007-11-10T15:38:26.297Z

Tch. At least have the courtesy to link to the relevant posts and exchanges

Why bit of my website, my rules didn't you understand then?

where much of what you say here is addressed, refuted or contradicted by documented evidence.

"Much of" what a lovely vague terms that is.

For example, had you linked to the original post, your readers would be able to see that - contrary to what you claim here - at no time was I "demanding the IP address of the person that posted".

Well thus is highly debatable. You may think your email are polite, but I think they're little more than displays of passive aggression. You emailed Ellee to "help" her get an IP whilst also making baseless legal threats with a link to a meaningless article about EU commercial law. An exchange took place in which she refused and then you just had no choice but to write a web page all about how she should have acquiesced to you.

Either way, you had no right to make such requests, and your claim of a smear and/or libel, along with the claim that it will be a legal obligation to hand over such data is..... well it's bollocks, that's what it is.

Tch. At least have the courtesy to link to the rel...

2007-11-10T14:36:00.000Z

Tch. At least have the courtesy to link to the relevant posts and exchanges, where much of what you say here is addressed, refuted or contradicted by documented evidence.

For example, had you linked to the original post, your readers would be able to see that - contrary to what you claim here - at no time was I "demanding the IP address of the person that posted".